双语ZT：邓以后的日子(附外国网友评论)

choupiwen

from 东方文化西方语 by 翟华
加拿大《环球邮报》12月13日发表署名TOM GRIMMER的文章Life after Deng（《邓以后的日子》），摘要如下（附上西方网友对这篇文章的部分英文评论）：

　　我在思索如何总结中国开放30年，而老布什帮了我一把。最近在接受《中国日报》采访时，他说：“中国人比以前享有更多的自由，我想这不成问题。现在（美国）一些人不理解这个。他们以为中国人还是一群共产主义者。”
　　这是一位老人不经意间脱口说出的话。但他说得对；西方对中国的看法依然充满曲解。此外，他的话登在中国报纸上，这事本身就说明了自布什先生首次踏足中国这里所经历的巨大变化。那时它无疑是共产主义国家。现在呢？
　　具有分水岭意义的事件是30年前中国共产党第十一届三中全会。很少有人认识到那次会议上的平淡讲话将改变的不仅是中国还有整个世界。30年后，我们知道了邓先生所开启的时代。
我们现在几乎可以一一背出那些令人咂舌的统计数字：世界第四大经济体、每年4000万互联网新用户、6亿部手机、2万亿美元外汇储备以及地球上头号水泥消费国。这个国家做出了历史上最大规模的减贫努力。没错，这一切我们都听说过。但知道这些幷不等于我们能公正地看待这个国家。
　　我是在1985年秋到中国的。我的中国同事住在平房里，那里没有供水和供暖，骑的是自行车，期盼着每年一回坐火车回家看望父母。如今他们拥有自己的住房，许多人还买了汽车，他们到网上预订海外度假。最令人吃惊的是，对于这些不到一代人时间里发生的变化，他们似乎觉得很自然。
　　中国的崛起引发了许多有趣现象。比如外国对中国经常抱有的曲解，其中有敬畏、贪婪和害怕等因素。之所以敬畏，是因为中国如此庞大、如此古老、如此受到关注。贪婪源于认为中国奇迹能为我所用的想法：我们能卖给他们资源，我们能在那里更便宜地生产，我们能利用那里永不枯竭的消费市场吗？最后还有害怕：如果他们不只想买我们的石油和矿产，还想买生产这些商品的公司，怎么办？
　　现在由于金融危机，这种对中国的自相矛盾态度发挥到了极致。《经济学家》杂志几周前发问：“中国能救世界吗？”30年前，这是个经济烂摊子，但我们现在指望中国的引擎拉动全球经济。尽管媒体充斥着对中国的报道，但我从初次到中国的人那里听到最多的是“搞不懂”。他们通常提到中国的局部富裕、其惊人的基础设施以及它是一个酷的地方。不论什么原因，中国开放30年后的今天，世人仍未完全理解它，除非他们身临其境。
　　当然，中国存在深层次的问题。比如，贫富差距拉大、环境恶化以及无法一下子修复的破碎的社会安全网。如今，在中国你与之交谈的几乎所有人都会坦率承认这些问题；这正是现在与我1985年初到中国时的不同。
　　在当今中国，国有企业要比10年前少得多，但更精简，收支良好。更重要的是，它们能赢利。这让外国人感到不安。他们想像着密室里坐满了干部，在策划如何主宰世界。其实，他们应该设想密室里满是西装革履的人，在商讨如何控制另一家公司。这都是有实力的大型公司，其中一些想要在世界舞台上竞争。
　　一晃之间，邓先生复杂、紧绷的试验已经持续30个年头了。可以说，与经历的毛模式比起来，中国现在经历了更久的邓模式。没错，但我们不妨称之为共产主义2.0版。这与毛禁止高尔夫的那个年代相区分，幷且打开了今后升级换代的诱人前景。

西方网友的评论

An excellent article, followed up by the sort of brainless commentary one sees far too often in Western media. China is not just a vast stalinist prison camp for the production of consumer goods. China is in fact a fast developing country that is more free and more democratic than most western countries were 50 or 60 years ago. I have one other message for those who reflexively hate and fear everything Chinese. They will be a superpower, they will run most aspects of the world economy and they will likely be the dominant explorer of space for the foreseeable future. Get used to that too.

A very thoughtful and accurate portrait of China today , not unlike Sasha Trudeau's video documentary on CBC before the Olympics.
One hundred years ago China was nearing the end of Qing Dynasty under the control of Cixi , a horrible woman who had murdered her son the emperor. China was a nasty place after the opium wars of western exploitation and Europeans had burned down the summer palace in Beijing. All things western were hated.
This was followed by 40 years of war and revolution and then 30 years of Mao , and more revolution......
Today she has spacecraft circling the moon and is becoming a freer and richer place daily with dozens of TV channels and high speed internet.
Universities have grown like weeds, the one I teach at has just built a huge new campus outside of town.
The point is, China has had an absolute emperor and no western style rights or freedoms for thousands of years, yet its moving into the future in it's own way at it's own speed.
There has never been democracy in China so people cant miss something they never had.
Things are changing in China and progress is being made.
Patience.


It was with great pleasure that I read Tom's article "Life after Deng".
In my view the Media has tended to paint China using McCarthian colours while Mr. Grimmer's approach, in my view, is a perfect example of responsible, objective reportage.
I recall the news reports during the summer Olympics : all the stories about police brutality towards (mainly foreign) demonstrators.
From what I could see, chinese security people and police showed more restraint than our own counterparts would have under similar circumstances. Our security people or police would have been armed with semi-automatic pistols and been wearing flack jackets. I watched, very closely, every film clip that involved Chinese police during the Olympics and in virtually every one the police were armed like English Bobbies (no guns) and I witnessed no abusive behaviour.
In my opinion the West came out looking very bad during the Olympics. They are supposed to be about friendship and
brotherhood, no? The Chinese did their best to make them
work while we (the west) tended to use them as an opportunity to play political games.
Thank heavens for the Globe amd Mail.

I was in China for only a few weeks in September, visiting my father who has been working there for just under a year, visiting Changchun and Dalian in the north, and Shenzhen and HK in the south. Arriving both times (once at Beijing Airport, and again at HK/Shenzhen), with the visa, it was easier than going through US customs at Pearson. It would be tough to gloss over the human rights abuses occurring, but while not to excuse it, some of our western democracies aren't exactly perfect either. But the fact that these they make the news here, I think, reflects a slow relaxation of state control. After all, this is a developing country - the CPC still wants control, and is more interested in economic growth and fears anything that would jeopardize either. So transition will be slow. Though people there are just like us, have the same basic values, needs and desires. When I travel - I try to meet people, and it helps one understand the place you are better. I think more westerners should learn more about China, or go themselves. I was lucky as we know immigrants here in Toronto and I stayed with their friends and family there. I got to visit the floor of a auto plant in Changchun - as modern as any here in North America, safety taken very seriously (though construction sites were much more lax). I traveled on two domestic flights, and was amazed to hear quite passable English from everyone I encountered but disappointed I had less opportunity to practice the bit of Mandarin that I tried to learn before leaving. Shenzhen, the city that Deng built, is as modern as any city in the world. Changchun was not in the same league (still horse and donkey carts on the streets, the city poorer than those on the coast) but there are easily twice as many cranes in a second-tier city than in all of Toronto. It's a huge country, still going through economic transition at a break-neck speed, and in another 30 years, I would expect to see more political relaxations.

China is different. I was in the USSR in 1980 and in Beijing and Tangu in 1986 - several times. The contrast was remarkable. China was still backward in our view but was definitely entrepreneurial. There were Chinese stores in which to buy things and food markets in the streets. The USSR (Russia) had non of this, although their transformation has come later. We returned to China in 2007 and the transformation was shocking. Freeways and skyscrapers exist where non had 20 years earlier. Bicycles and horse drawn carts were replaced with cars.

Not a bad article, but to really understand China or the Chinese, you have to understand the psyche of the Chinese people. Yes, they are pragmatic. Yes, they entrepreneurial. Yes, they are resourceful. But remember, the way one arrives at a decision is as important as the decision itself. The Chinese are the epitome of the Nike slogan 'just do it'! In Western education, children are taught by being provided with options, usually with the phrase 'what if'? In Chinese education, children are taught 'what is', with a pre-determined set of values! One must remember that 75% of the current population of China have little or no education. So, what is yet to develop within China is a level of sophistication that can sort through the BS! In turn, the Chinese will gradually develop a more confident attitude toward the West, make political decisions based on sound humanitarian, and environmental consideration. Only when a sophisticated level of thought is achieved, will the hundreds of years of an inferiority complex be removed. I have lived here for the past 15 years, and have experienced just such a change taking place. For now, it is important to realize that there are a hundred different China's and one experiences a hundred different China's everyday!
This is a great article by Mr. Grimmer. For those who holds a rather out dated view on China, or believes that westerns can prescribe a better medicine for China, I will not even trying to argue with you. But I want to make two points.
First, if you haven't done so, you should go to the country and live there for a year. And let us know when you come back whether you still want to make the same argument.
Second, it is dangerous to over estimate yourself, or under estimate others, such as the government of China, in the business of running a country with 1.3 billion people.
As someone who spent a year working in China, specialized in political science in undergrad and is now slogging away in economics, I think I am in a pretty decent position to say...
This is about the most accurate piece about the real picture of developments and the present state of things in China that I recall reading at any point in time in the mainstream media.
China certainly faces its unique challenges (particularly in rural areas) and there are no shortage of problems for the citizenry and government to work through. However, I can now raise a third finger when counting the number of intelligent things that George Bush has said (I'm sure there are plenty of others, but I'm certainly not ware of them). The people of China are wealthier and more free than 30 years ago. There is no question about it. (Whether this trend continues is another question altogether, Bush is hardly the right person to comment on that).
The thing that concerns me the most is the 'psychological insecurity complex' that is illustrated by China's unwillingness to tolerate criticism from other countries. However, their typical response points to the hypocrisy of many of our criticisms, which suggests that this could grow into a mutually beneficial criticism as China and its people become more secure in its newfound position.
The Chinese people are, if I may say so, pragmatic. They will do what they need to do to survive and ultimately prosper. And they will do it with an alacrity unknown in Western societies. While the West stubbornly clings to tired old cliches- Capitalism, Good; Communism, Bad- China goes about its business in whatever manner they need to. The proof is in the pudding, for them. If it works, they do it. And when it stops working, or a new system will work better FOR THEM, they will change.
Forty to fifty years ago, China couldn't even feed its own people. Now they're the world's third largest economy and expected to challenge for the top spot before long. The problems that China has finding the balance between the collective welfare of all its citizens (via the state) and the rights of the individual are common to every country on the planet.
The rapidity with which China is opening up both internally and externally are remarkable. China is changing so quickly that by the time some Westerners bring their opinions of the place into this decade, the country will have moved on much further still.
For those who can read Chinese, you should go to the Chinese web sites. The same bunch of nasty, rhetoric people attack their government constantly. How many Chinese officals were forced to step down in the past, by these nasty web users? A few weeks ago I remember a Chinese city's mayor has to come out to persoanlly post reply to his attackers on the web, as a regular user.

It will be a lot of fun if you know another language, and have a more balanced view. Even Chinese officials are much thick skined than many thought, that's the life.


[ 本帖最后由 choupiwen 于 2008-12-28 11:46 编辑 ]

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美国《国际先驱导报》12月15日发表正在北京读书的美国学生Annie Osborn 的文章，题目是：China through hopeful eyes（透过希望的眼睛看中国）。摘要如下（原文附后）



我来到中国，原以为会发现西方媒体已鼓噪多年的种种现象：压抑的政治气候，令人窒息的污染及难以形容的贫困。然而，尽管努力寻找证据以证明我所读到过的东西，但最终我不得不得出结论：北京没那么可怕。

北京的摩天大楼令人敬畏，它们昂首向天根本见不到底下乱糟糟的胡同和拆迁区。北京是灰蒙蒙的，但夜幕降临后，老式霓虹灯与过时的奥运宣传画构成一幅怪诞多彩的画面。街道上一些穿老式服装的老人不时与头发染成蓝色、留着刺青、穿着牛仔裤的青少年擦肩而过。在色彩斑斓、曲线玲珑的玻璃建筑物下，小贩们在卖爆米花。所有这些都是新北京的一部分，看着它一天天成长变化，我只感到兴奋，没有一点恐惧。
我寄宿的那户中国家庭住在12楼，房子跟一些同学住的没厕所或暖气的四合院不一样，也不是那种看似质量低劣的高楼。它算不上北京最好的，也不是最差的。我的中国姐姐的房间贴满了贝克汉姆的海报。我们吃饭时会讨论些敏感问题（如西藏、台湾、牛奶丑闻）。搬进来几周后，我就听到主人讲牛奶丑闻。中国妈妈谈到这些时，没有直接指责政府；她说收购牛奶的公司没有给小农户足够的价钱，所以他们才往牛奶里加三聚氰胺图利，“其他一切都源于此。”
牛奶丑闻最近让位于经济危机。而在中产阶级的中国，裁员意味着该是找份新工作的时候了，股市暴跌意味着该重新投资。衰退和低迷只是生活的一部分。中国妈妈提醒我：“有升就有降。”有一天，我和寄宿家庭驱车去河北，污染严重导致交通停滞数小时，公路变成可怕的、无边的停车场。但令我着迷的不是那雾蒙蒙的天空。大家都走到车外转悠，和陌生人聊天，或偷拍他们当中那个6英尺高的外国人（就是我）。
在中国，让我感到满怀希望的部分原因是中国人善用形势。牛奶丑闻严重影响健康，但也可以成为反思农民工作的机会，或可借此重新评估家庭饮食、使之更安全、更健康。被推土机推掉的历史区可以变成一个新的艺术中心。我寄宿的中国主人一家既不被动也不漠然，他们保持着乐观情绪。其他一切都源于此.



China through hopeful eyes
By Annie Osborn
Monday, December 15, 2008
BEIJING: I came to China expecting to find what the Western media has been harping on for ages: a stifling political climate, even more stifling pollution and indescribable poverty. But though I looked hard for proof of what I'd read, I finally had to conclude that Beijing is not that scary. Of course, China has human rights and pollution problems, but life here isn't just a series of catastrophes.
I am awed by Beijing's skyscrapers that hold their noses up too high to see the pickup-sticks mess of hutongs and razed areas that barely come up to their second levels.
Beijing is gray, but there is an eerily colorful combination of old-fashioned neon lights that start to glow as the day dies and the garish, outdated Olympic propaganda banners. On the sidewalks, a few elderly men and women wearing simple button-down Cultural Revolution jackets brush shoulders with clumps of teenagers with spiky blue hair, piercings and designer (or counterfeit) jeans. Vendors sell open-fire popcorn beneath colorful, curvy, glassy architecture.
All of this is part of a new Beijing, and to see it grow and change every day is exciting for me, not frightening.
My Chinese host family and I talk about sensitive issues (Tibet, Taiwan, the dairy scandal) at dinner in our 12th-floor apartment. The living room looks out over the western side of the city; my host parents' room is partitioned off from the living room. My Chinese sister's room is plastered all over with David Beckham posters. My bedroom is all white except for my bed, which has a big pink spread covered in pictures of the animé heroine "Princess Rose."
My house is nothing like the courtyard homes with no plumbing or heat in which some of my classmates live; nor is it one of the shoddy, teetering high-rises to which so many former courtyard-home dwellers have been relocated. It is neither the worst place to live in Beijing nor the best.
A few weeks after I moved in, I listened to my Chinese host family's description of the dairy scandal. When my Chinese mother described the scandal over noodles and stewed asparagus, she did not directly blame the government; rather, she said that the small farmers hadn't been paid enough by the companies buying their milk, and so they had tainted their products with melamine to make more money. "Everything else," she said, "came from that."
Recently, the economic crisis usurped the dairy scandal. The view is that this isn't America's fault or the government's fault; it's a misfortune that must be faced while going about life normally. In middle-class China, a layoff means it's time for a new job. A stock market crash means it's time to reinvest. Besides, recessions and depressions are part of life, and Chinese people have all seen worse. "What goes up must come down," my Chinese mother reminded me.
On a drive to Hebei province with my host family one day, the pollution rendered visibility so bad that traffic was stopped for hours, and the highway became a ghostly, never-ending parking lot. But what fascinated me wasn't the gauzy sky. On one side of the highway were ancient, forgotten graves crumbling among the tall, slender trees of a newly planted orchard.
Across the road, willows shook their seaweed tresses over a trickling, dirty river. Everyone got out of their cars and walked around, chatting with strangers or surreptitiously snapping pictures of the 6-foot-tall foreigner in their midst (me). There was more to see than unclean air.
Part of what makes me hopeful in China is that people make the best of situations. A dairy scandal with disastrous health repercussions is also an opportunity to rethink the way farmers work, or to reassess a family's diet so that it's not only safer but also healthier. A bulldozed historical district can become a new arts center. My Chinese family isn't passive or apathetic, but optimistic. Everything else comes from that.
Annie Osborn, a junior at Boston Latin School, is studying with School Year Abroad in Beijing.