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原帖由 陈进男 于 2007-11-8 22:03 发表 
Don´t you think you are "too simple and somewhat too naive"?
you don´t have to tell us Pressefreiheit =/= Verhetzungsfreiheit, it is so sure like Amen in church, but that is not the topic really important in this context.
The question interesting here is: what do the chinese students want to achieve through the demonstration?
The question interesting might also be: is demonstration an affective means to acquire their aim? (further question: if not, what are the affective means?)
Last but not least: which adverse consequences or positive influences could accur ? how do the transformation look like?
If you have already considered all these questions and change your idea, I would admire that you begin to act strategically; otherwise you still make the same dicision, then I could only say "good luck" to you:-)
难得你说的话还有一定道理,我想多说几句,但是我想这是最后一次回复你了。你我都有自己的自由,我没有那么多时间。
你提出的所有问题,我们都在碰头会上和信件中反复讨论过,甚至,我是坚定的保守派。这也是现在为什么只是在汉堡以示威,或者称为公示的一种形式而不是各地的大规模游行的原因之一。与你的立场不同的是,我们认为现在是需要我们表达自己的声音的时候了,因为不仅仅是明镜一个媒体的声音,而是德国联邦保密局专门召开200多家企业会议专门警告中国学生“窃密”事宜,在德国媒体对中国人的声音不予理睬之时,我们只能用这种方式表达我们的声音。其二,这是一个集体决定,更重要的是,这是一个利大于弊的行为。作为团联会的一员,我觉得我应该做到自己的工作。这也是我从德国人身上学到的。其三,你说的恰恰错误,很多善良的德国人在教堂里说阿门的时候可是虔诚地祈祷上帝的赐福呢,
也许该谢你觉得我能振臂一呼组织起全德范围内的示威或者我自己要去示威,其实,我只是一个摇旗呐喊的助手而已。即使我simple,naive,但是我认为做这些事情值得的时候,我会去做。
很多人有各种各样的顾忌,我很理解,毕竟咱们的国家还没有那么自由,但是针对你说的中国学生利用这里的自由,第一,理所应当,难道这里有ICE你说我不用我非要坐慢车?第二,个人角度,我可以这么说,在游行这件事情上,如果在这里可以去的在国内我也不会犹豫,同理,在国内不会去的在这里我也不会去。
当然你可以因为觉得自己在德国人的公司里的位置会受到影响,你可以尽管大喊反对,但是去的人同样有权利去表示他们的看法,而且,你无权进行漫骂 !
既然你那么喜欢名言,还是给你也抄一段吧
They came first for the Communists, and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist. Then they came for the Jews, and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Jew. Then they came for the trade unionists, and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a trade unionist. Then they came for the Catholics, and I didn't speak up because I was a Protestant Then they came for me, and by that time no one was left to speak up. |
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