小白

原帖由 驴子 于 2006-10-20 23:24 发表


有个罪叫诈骗，被诈骗人给钱的时候也是心甘情愿的

你也觉得李大师所说的都是真的么？我是觉得他说的不少东西都是假的，所以会觉得他是诈骗。

现在是贪的多得和贪的少得互相指责，这叫啥？狗咬狗吧。

如果你想说的是政府办的不对，我觉得这个例子选的好，如果你想要借说政府不对来支持李大师，我觉得这例子举的太差了。

贬低A的敌人并不能说明A有多正义

而且我觉得可怜的是轮子们，对于李大师，我不相信他有多信仰他让他的学员们信的东西。所以说轮子们可怜。

我非常不想和你开始这种文字游戏。

跳舞的雨滴

原帖由 even 于 2006-10-20 23:33 发表

你也不看看报道的都是什么网站？
要么贴英文原版，我无话可说，要么就不要贴。

英文原版International Education Development (IED)'s Statement at the U.N.



UNITED NATIONS

Sub-Commission on the Promotion and Protection of Human Rights
Fifty-third session
Agenda item 6

August, 2001

International Education Development has followed the topic of terrorism and human rights for many years and we welcomed the appointment of the Sub-Commission's Special Rapporteur Mme. Koufa in 1996. ... We strongly agree with the Special Rapporteur that State terrorism in the form of government terror against its own people -- what she calls "terrorism from above" -- produces far more gross violations of human rights than any other form of terrorism. ...When a regime resorts to State terrorism, the international community can expect to be overwhelmed with cases under the international mechanisms and swamped with persons seeking asylum from that regime. Such is the case in China with the regime's violent assault on practitioners of Falun Gong.

In our statement under item 3 we described the Falun Gong Practice as we have found it to be. The government, in exercise of the right to reply, attempted to justify its State terrorism against the group by calling it an "[Chinese government's slanderous words deleted]" that has caused deaths and the break-up of families. In our investigation, the only deaths have been at the hands of the Chinese authorities; families have been broken up because family members have been killed by the regime; people have been broken down, not by Falun Gong, but by extreme torture, incarceration in mental hospitals with brutal treatment, hard labour in labour camps and other such practices. As was reported in the International Herald Tribune on August 6, 2001, the regime admits that it has officially sanctioned violence against practitioners in order to wipe out Falun Gong. The regime points to a supposed self-immolation incident in Tiananmen Square on January 23, 2001 as proof that Falun Gong is an "[Chinese government's slanderous words deleted]". However, we have obtained a video of that incident that in our view proves that this event was staged by the government. We have copies of that video available for distribution.

In his most recent report ( U.N. Doc. E/CN.4/2001/66, the Commission's Special Rapporteur on Torture attests to tens of thousands detained and tortured practitioners. (Paras. 246-290). The Commission's Special Rapporteurs on Violence against Women and Extrajudicial Executions also attest to these abuses, with similar indications as to numbers. (E/CN.4/2001/73/Add.1, para. 19; E/CN.4/2001/[ ]). We are compiling evidence indicating that at least 50,000 Falun Gong practitioners are detained in prisons, labour camps or mental hospitals, of which thousands are beaten and many tortured to death. Hundreds of thousands (perhaps millions) of practitioners are severely threatened. The UN mechanisms clearly cannot handle this volume of verified cases, nor can the international community easily cope with perhaps millions of asylum seekers -- all of whom would clearly meet asylum criteria. Accordingly, the international community as a whole and the Sub-Commission in particular should address this situation of State terrorism as one of extreme urgency.

[...]

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Posting date: 9/9/2001
Original article date: 9/8/2001
Category: Worldwide Support

驴子

原帖由 天界的传说 于 2006-10-20 23:29 发表


你一边抨击FLG,一边又说这样的话,真不知道你是怎么想的.

你的话前后矛盾也很大啊

一个相信前世来生因果报应的人，应该知道这一世遭的所有罪都是前世造的孽，怎么能怪在别人迫害头上呢？

这些谴责由一个不信佛的人来说还可以理解，而由你这个信的人来说，似乎和自己的信仰自相矛盾啊

NeuMond

原帖由 even 于 2006-10-20 23:13 发表

中国大陆公安部门和许多大陆新闻媒体都认为这起事件纯粹是由flg组织策划、指导的，主要目的是制造宣传效应和引起国际舆论关注，并播出了CNN摄制后被中国警方没收的的自焚现场实时录像，还制作了其他各种电视节 ...

我不相信任何组织会作出损害自己的事，flg策划自焚，不是让gcd更有理由镇压吗? 不是激起别人对自己的仇视吗? 不是引起国际舆论的谴责吗?

even

原帖由 跳舞的雨滴 于 2006-10-20 23:31 发表

你是觉的世界大还是中国大？？？？？？？？？？你最好把所有的报道都列出来。。不知道联合国教科文组织诚信度有没有gcd高。。哈哈哈

你也不看看报道的都是什么网站？
要么贴英文原版，我无话可说，要么就不要贴。

even

原帖由 驴子 于 2006-10-20 23:27 发表

我一直很奇怪在有很明显利益冲突的问题上，为什么那么多人相信wiki。

对于已经有明确定论的东西，wiki还可以查阅，而对于还有争议的东西，wiki的模式注定不能作为权威。

除了当事人和目击证人，恐怕我们找不到更好了解当时情况的方式了。从一个相对neutral的第3者出发，至少可以了解到一些概况。

跳舞的雨滴

原帖由 even 于 2006-10-20 23:27 发表

要不要把中央台的评论列出来？

你是觉的世界大还是中国大？？？？？？？？？？你最好把所有的报道都列出来。。不知道联合国教科文组织诚信度有没有gcd高。。哈哈哈。。。睡觉了。。。闹够了。。大家晚安。。。哈哈哈。。

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驴子

原帖由 boilingsnow 于 2006-10-20 23:24 发表


维基条目是可以添加，但他们是有审查和通过的，否则还不变成论坛了？

关键是个权威的问题，是由谁审查和通过的？其权威性直接决定了这个wiki的权威性。